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Started by ScreamoIsEmo
18 Jul 2011 21:26
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Avatar By ScreamoIsEmo (49)
On 18 Jul 2011 21:32

Religion has been kept out of schools and public events. why? I'm athiest, and I don't care. we study every other religions, too.
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Avatar By The Ram (1472)
On 18 Jul 2011 21:54

Hmm... Well, I foresee plenty of conflict in this Thread alone... Oh well. :D

If you're asking about the seperation of Church and State,["State" meaning Politics,] it's because really, a Politicians "Moral Beliefs" should not be the driving force behind legislature. ie: Would you enjoy your Governor passing Legislation that dictates all state residents must go to and attend church, regardless of Religious/Lack-Of belief?
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Avatar By ScreamoIsEmo (49)
On 18 Jul 2011 22:32

No, but I had a friend (suprise!) that got in trouble for having a bible and he's a priechers son.
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Avatar By Panzer123 (793)
On 19 Jul 2011 01:28

That's against the policy of most school districts. He should be allowed to have it as long as he isn't doing anything wrong with it.
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Avatar By tehjew1 (765)
On 19 Jul 2011 01:52

I wore a Yammikah ("Jew Hat") at lunchtime once. Principal told me to take it off and she gave me a detention. It's not like I was waving it around and passing it around to people...
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Avatar By Neongirlx (1082)
On 19 Jul 2011 13:00

Well, was it because of the hat being jewish, or was it because you aren't allowed to wear hats inside.. because we aren't allowed to wear hats inside at my school, but it wouldn't be enough for a detention, you'd just get told to take it off..

Strict school?

You are allowed to bring a bible to school though(along with other religious texts), you just can't preach at people.. Was your friend reading during class or doing something bad with it?
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Avatar By ScreamoIsEmo (49)
On 19 Jul 2011 18:17

no.
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Avatar By KingofDarkness (1370)
On 20 Jul 2011 03:11

I did a project on this for my grade 11 religiongs of the world class, hope I can help.

Most religieus artifacts (turban, knife, Cross on a necklace, Yammikah ect...) Are not permitted in schools because some may some are seen as weapons and others are against school rules, or Its to keep the school "clean" and all studets ewual to one another.
Its like wearing a baseball cap, no one else dares wear one, but you did and got away with it that day, next day there will be more kids wearing there favourite baseball cap. its untidy and makes the school look bad.

Did that help?
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Avatar By The Ram (1472)
On 20 Jul 2011 06:09

The Baseball Cap Anal[giggity]ogy was a bit odd, but it drove your pont through.
Last I checked, it was understandable to classify Knives as 'weapons'. :-E
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Avatar By tehjew1 (765)
On 20 Jul 2011 16:54

If it was for the hat rule, I wouldn't have gotten a detetion. She said it was "inappropriate".
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Avatar By The Ram (1472)
On 20 Jul 2011 17:06

Oh, Schools and their funny rules... Haven't been enrolled in one in 7 years. :P

But, as I stated before, Church and State are separated for a reason. It can be stupid and annoying sometimes, but it's for the best. Honestly, I think that if you can bring a Bible to school, so long as you don't preach, then you should be able to wear your hat. It's not like your hat is talking to people as you walk, no?
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Avatar By Panzer123 (793)
On 21 Jul 2011 01:41

As I stated in another thread, at least pastafarians can now wear strainers as hats in ID photos.
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Avatar By StarcraftGuy (8)
On 21 Jul 2011 08:01

FSM!
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Avatar By The Ram (1472)
On 21 Jul 2011 19:34

What's FSM? And dare I Troll, but "Productive Post, Bro."
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Avatar By WhaleFreak (1104)
On 22 Jul 2011 09:06

This guy came to my school and gave out little bibles to everyone. o-o. As I walked past he's like "would you like one? (:" and I'm like "no thankyou.... O-O"
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Avatar By Neongirlx (1082)
On 22 Jul 2011 11:00

FSM is the flying spaghetti monster, I believe.
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Avatar By HullBreach (862)
On 22 Jul 2011 12:10

I came from a public school that was more open to the religious beliefs of students because the First Amendment is meant to keep government out of religion, not the other way. ("Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.")

In other words, students were allowed to wear religious insignia or bring Bibles or holy books to this school. Non-profit groups could even get permits to pass out religious information at the school. The school offered a few elective classes on religion like Old Testament and New Testament. During Chanukah one year, we had some downtime after an American History test and gathered a group with a Jew, a Catholic, two Protestants, and a Muslim, and we all played Dreidel. Anything students do with their religions at school should be no problem, as long as it does not interfere with the educational purpose of school. It's stupid forbidding a valedictorian from invoking his or her religious views at graduation in a quick moment of thanksgiving, just because some thin-skinned sue-happy person wants to force a viewpoint on the person who earned the right to speak.

Now here is where it did cross the line at my school: One of the vice principals was using his office as a place to preach to students during school hours. Someone in an authority position like that should not be using school time to take such actions. After school and outside the office is another matter. He ended up being temporarily suspended from his job then transfered to a position at the school board office.
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Avatar By Neongirlx (1082)
On 22 Jul 2011 12:47

Yeah, I researched it a bit on the internet, and you're totally allowed to wear religious insignia, or clothing (as long as it doesn't go against other school rules) and you're allowed to bring a Bible, or other religious texts to school as well..

At my sister's graduation though, for some reason, before the ceremony started, the MC had us do some sort of prayer.. not sure what the law is on that, but it wasn't a big deal or anything to just not pray if you were a part of another religion, or no religion. Still kind of odd though, since the school isn't religious at all.
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Avatar By KingofDarkness (1370)
On 23 Jul 2011 11:55

ram-yes knifes are considered as a weapon, but there is a religion where carrying a knife for boys is manditory.
its like a faithfull christian who carries a bible with them at all time.
Taking away that bible is the same as taking away the knife.

and theball cap was my main argument in the debate idid aboutthis very subject
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Avatar By HullBreach (862)
On 23 Jul 2011 12:53

KoD - Those are the Sheik sect of Hinduism. The dagger is symbolic for the weapon to fight off evil. It's not mandatory to wear the dagger, but it is tradition.
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